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I would like to start a discussion on the topic of image quality. There are probably wide spread experiences and meanings, I am eager to hear. Over the next days I will collect my cents at this place and I hope for yours....
In my opinion all fotos which show no EXIF-DATAS should be deleted by the webmaster. So you can avoid a misuse and breaching of the copyright.
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Nach meiner Meinung sollten alle Bilder, die keine EXIF-Daten anzeoigen sofort gelöscht werden, damit kann ein Missbrauch des copyrights verhindert werden.
Leider gibt es aber auch Bildbearbeitungsprogramme die beim Abspeichern die EXIF-Daten loeschen, das bedeutet ich duerfte kein Bild mehr beschneiden oder auf andere Art bearbeiten. Auch sind Vorhandene EXIF-Daten kein Schutz vor Bilderklau da bei den wenigsten Kameras ein Benutzer in den EXIFs steht.
What I see on other websites (like shipspotting.com) is that a lot of people upload all their pictures they take per vessel. If you spot a vessel, take your best picture and upload that one to the database. If you can take a better picture later, you can change previous or keep both of them in database.
Today several fotos were uploaded from ship which show only part of the vessel. 2 fotos from superstucture e.g. These superstructure could also be from another vessel as stated, who knows? Bow and stern parts of a sailing ship, why not only one foto from the whole vessel?
The quality of some fotos (becomming more and more) goes into a direction as it is common at vesseltracker, really bad fotos. Blurry, long distrance shots, horizont up- or downhill , too blue, too white etc.
I think there should be control to guaranty a minimum of quality.
I think that parts of a Ship, which have already a whole view are the Point that makes it more interesting, because a lot Ships of same Type sometimes have different Equipment fitted, which is interesting to see. (my Opinion). long Distance Shots we all have sometimes, cause of Position or just to show also the Surrounding Area...why not ?
And the partly Shots of Vessels to interprete as might be from another Ship...well Date and time of the Picture will mostly guarantee its not, or put them into Photoshop for example, make overlay and check the Details....but who will do this...also mix Photos..We should not make it too difficult.
And not all of us can handle things like whitebalance etc etc. It is still a Hobby here supported by all the Users..well i see it like that. If some Pictures are really not wanted from the Ship..delete them...but you might see a lot Users stopping the Upload here.
Nice pictures taken on a ship, but it's not the ship.
So these pictures aren't what we expect here.
http://www.digital-seas.com/open_space/user_detail/username/melvinblanck.html
@Stevo, I fully comply with you. As I stated befor (see my posting above) there should be some regulations what kind of fotos are not allowed to be uploaded.
I hope the webmaster will read these statements.
This is AIS site and photos must be bright, properly exposed, whole ship in frame, no distant subject because users want to get brief info about ship.Therefore photo is just a few centimeters big.If someone want to upload details, better to find another site and do that there.This is not photography site.Dozens are around!
Yes miraflores, I am following the threat and the ideas. Uploading should be possible, but than an instance of judgment could be introduced, so not properly fitting images can be sorted out quickly. I could imagine, that we allow this selection for our superusers like you or stevo, since we want to satisfy people with high quality demands. This is not the place to store "cruise-shots", even though I can live with most of them :-)
We have now 63 detail fotos of vessel Hela, on just 1 foto the whole ship is visble.
In my opinion is this real rubbish.
I agree whit you Miraflores.
Why not give him a little warning?
This is not his personal photobook..............
I agree with Miraflores but not with Chan2.
As far as I am aware he is doing nothing wrong. MindOpen has asked for comments but as yet there are no rules against uploading 60+ parts of a vessel, so what will the warning be for.
A foto uploaded here must be assigned to the ship, in this case to HELA
The shown anchor, the radar antenna, the flagline etc. cannot be assigned to this vessel.
He is just a boy of 14 years, he needs to be lead into the right direction.
Regards
Juergen
Give him some advice and recommendation on one of the images, is all I could suggest for now. I am perfectly fine with ONE perfectly documented ship.
Maybe also more, as long the overalll image quality is perfect too. I would not support the struggle between members, this should be an open place, with enjoyment.
Since we are quiet young with this platform, we would like to find rules in a relaxed way. Its obvious, we will need them. For now, we are small and almost exclusiv. And I've got the feeling, we are attracting the rigtht people with high expectations.
We could agree though about content and quality measures and introduce some kind of "censorship" at any time.
OK, if we have not a minimum on regulations we will have in a short time the same problems which occour in Vessetracker, eg., ships going uphill, downhill, ships in distance of 5 miles, blurred fotos etc.
This is my personal mind, but I'm not a sheriff.
Regards
Juergen
In the debate of if the photos are good or not I believe that it is not necessary to put hobbles in the raises, it is very important to punctuate the capture, and this way the people realize that it(he,she) has to improve in the shot, to extract a good capture the near(next) one see all we were raw someone see, or not!!!!
Who are we to judge other members? I have also pictures on this website from vessels who are sailing uphill. But these are shots when I started vesselspotting.
Still now I have some bad shots but sometimes they are the only shots I can take of a vessel I never see again.
But if you put 115 pictures of only 1 vessel on this website, I think this is wrong. We aren't a puzzlecommunity. Like chan2 says, there are other ways to show your photobook.
When I go to a detailed page of a vessel I like to see the whole vessel in 1 shot. So I have an idea about that vessel (how long, big, the color, ...)
This is what makes this community unique. 80% is uploading good, nice shots and in Fleetmon you have some nice pictures when selected a vessel. Without regulations, and it worked for everybody.
Just uploading your photobook is bringing the quality of this community down.
I can also start to take 50 pictures on every vessel I visit, every vessel I see. But for now, I only upload my best shot of the day.
Whe can all take photos that are of focus,long dist or bad in other ways.
If so is the case we have too choose the best and hope its good to show.
The overall qulatiy is very good on this site. so if one or two pic of uniqe ship i is bad, so be it....
Whe are all human.
But 50 pic on detalis on one ship is too much a think.
Hi Juergen,
So you have got a sense of humor!!
@Stevo
I will not judge about the quality of other members fotos, but I will not take part in private kiddies playing ground. Therefore I have started to delete all fotos except one per vessel and will not upload any more full ship fotos.
@Ian John, temporarily.
Rgds.
Juergen
Juergen, don't start this way please.
I like your pictures.
It's only 1 vessel with 115 pictures where they have to take a point.
I should delete all these pictures because non of them is giving a picture of the vessel.
@Stevo
MindOpen started a discussion about the quality of the uploaded fotos.
I've said what I have to say and what is my personal mind.
So I've started to give space free on the server for another 115 detail fotos from Hela.
These fotos are uploaded 3 and more times, really funny, but as I said before: rubbish.
Until now I have deleted abt. 600 fotos, remaining only 1 bow shot. If this bow shot is the best quality I don't know and I don't care.
Rgds.
Juergen
@miraflores: Juergen, it is a pitty you are getting upset about this single guy, uploading many images to this one ship. Like I said, maybe he is in love with this lady (happens sometimes in Pupertät) and needs to capture every intime moment.... As long as he is alone here, we should say "hello", if he marries someone and they are getting kids... we will know, what to do :-)
For now I took off the images and wrote Melvin an email, so he can continue to learn...
We do not have any space problems on the server at all.
I love your serious work and the way of taking two good shots of the vessel up and downhill. This makes a very good overall impression of the vessel. There is no reason, to give argument and then getting in action to strengthen the made statement.
@CX9AAW: that's exactly our attitude too...
@ALL: Who is willing to administrate the image section then ? We could open a separate tool to take of images and flag images .
We are listening carefully, and believe me: we are not thinking in matters of numbers, we want quality. Lars
I just realized, what bothers Miraflores maybe also.
Since we are showing the newest images first in the thumbnails list on the ship detail page, all the other shots getting possibly moved out the view.
Every new upload will displace older shots.
http://www.digital-seas.com/vessel_search/vessel_details/on/dhlw_hela_q57157.html
The user-ranking of the images is for now only reflected in the Fleetmon view and the primary Ship-Image in listings etc.
What do you think about reverse the order and show the first uploaded images first in the listing ? This would honor the first uploader more.
@miraflores: Juergen, I think it is a great shame that you have carried out you threat to delete some of your pictures and not to upload more. Now that you have had a week to think about things, I would ask you to reconsider your decision and return to your old ways. I for one sadly miss your immages, and I do not believe I am the only only one.
@MindOpen: Lars, If space on the server is not a problem then it could be an advantage to have a chioce of pictures of each vessel. Would it be posible for pictures to be grouped as per the vessels various names. The latest name and livery taking preverence. The most appropiate picture would take the prime position, this would normaly be with the current name, but not always.
I now come to the hard bit, how is the most appropiate picture chosen?
I do not think that the user-ranking of the images is working. Changing the order would not pick the best picture, neither do I think that one person could do the job manualy. One mans meat is another mans poison!
@All: Does anyone else have any ideas?
Regards, Ian
@IanJohn
I think one foto per vessel is enough. I have deleted some of my fotos leaving one image and I think that there are uploaded enough other exposures by other member, sometimes 6-10 and more.
The last days we had much rain and not so good spotting weather, so I made only very few new fotos, but other members from this area did the same and uploaded this new images, e.g. SKANDI CARLA, GARGANO, DELPHI RANGER etc.
A greeting, I would comment to him on the friend Miraflores who has one very nice captures and serious a very big sorrow that was removing them will ask Him to erase,
That does Honor to his,your name MIRAFLORES a very Spanish name
OLE OLE OLE
The private photobook show starts again? I gave him some comments on his foto and wait for a reaction.
As I said a couple of days ago I will not play in a kindergarten, therefore I stopped all my activities (upload, watching copyright abuses etc.) and decide what I do next.
And again I say, there must be a minimum of regulation what is possible (allowed) to be uploaded.
There's nothing to add ! Absolutely agree with "MIRAFLORES".
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