http://forum.digital-seas.com/ the place for exchanging ideas and opinions on ship-spotting and ship-tracking en Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:38:53 +0000 http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers/page/2#post-1432 Sat, 22 May 2010 14:35:26 +0000 Anonymous 1432@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>Dear ianegpf, you can delete your own pictures in image-manager<br /> If you don't know how, send me an email and I will help you. </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers/page/2#post-1431 Sat, 22 May 2010 00:23:22 +0000 ianegpf 1431@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>Many thanks Rob....will be more careful next time ;-) </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers/page/2#post-1430 Fri, 21 May 2010 23:15:58 +0000 rob1053 1430@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>@ianegpf,image removed as requested </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers/page/2#post-1429 Fri, 21 May 2010 21:37:44 +0000 ianegpf 1429@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>Mods.... I recently uploaded a picture of the MV Minerva with (what I thought) was the photographers permission. It seems that the picture uploaded was taken by a different photographer (a professional) even though the picture I had permission for was very similar in composition. This was a genuine mistake and even though I don't think there would be a problem arising, I would like to ask you to remove the upload from DS please.<br /> Respectively<br /> ianegpf </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1194 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:58:14 +0000 Anonymous 1194@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>Rob,</p> <p>Maybe you can make your copyright a little bit smaller.<br /> You upload your pictures to DS. DS has a copyright policy, however, you as uploader still have final copyright.</p> <p>I also put my copyright on all my pictures, so I have no problem with it. </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1193 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:13:23 +0000 rob1053 1193@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>All my images now have copyright notice,my exif allways has had.I don't realy like the notice especialy when it infringes on the ship image,however.....<br /> Question.My copyright notice consists of a copyright symbol,year and my name:should I include an e mail address?</p> <p>Regards<br /> Rob </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1191 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:37:04 +0000 IanJohn 1191@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>@CX9AAW<br /> I sugest you find out more about copyright laws in Spain and then contact these sites and ask for an explanation! </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1189 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:49:19 +0000 mtarrago 1189@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>I agree with you ... It is true that we upload pictures that are vulnerable to be stolen. It is true that some people ask your permission for personal use, website or anything else. What I see that some websites use bad photos with copyright with some profit motive and that does not seem right (and I hope that this website is not one of them). That has happened to Javier does not seem right that in a medium like television is using a non-free use picture, because what is, have downloaded from this site without permission. I wonder: do we defend ourselves in these situations?. Greetings. </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1188 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:34:58 +0000 rob1053 1188@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>@CX9AAW<br /> I see what you mean,Javier,The images are clearly stolen from the digital seas site as two of the have the ds logo across them and indeed the image sizes are smaller than the download size from this site.This shows how underhanded the press can be.I am sorry for you that your property has been abused but I fear that any action you take could be long with uncertain results.In the UK we do have some lawyers that work on a 'no win,no fee' basis,if you have the same in Spain it may be worth consulting one if you feel strongly about it </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1187 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:41:35 +0000 CX9AAW 1187@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>@ rob1053<br /> can be for personal use and not used in any commercial manner for profit or otherwise<br /> correct and should be, but unfortunately it this way, what I mean is this.</p> <p><a href="http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20091129/seguridad-privada-del-ortube-berria-repele-a-tiros-ataque-piratas-cerca-seychelles/303439.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20091129/seguridad-privada-del-ortube-berria-repele-a-tiros-ataque-piratas-cerca-seychelles/303439.shtml</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.abc.es/Hemeroteca/imagenes/abc/29112009/Nacional/ortube-berria--300x180.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.es/Hemeroteca/imagenes/abc/29112009/Nacional/ortube-berria--300x180.jpg</a></p> <p><a href="http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:qLZhS4XYRecIwM:http://www.rtve.es/imagenes/atunero-vasco-repele-ataque-pirata/1259512019619.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:qLZhS4XYRecIwM:http://www.rtve.es/imagenes/atunero-vasco-repele-ataque-pirata/1259512019619.jpg</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.elimparcial.es/nacional/la-seguridad-privada-del-pesquero-espanol-ortube-berria-repele-un-ataque-pirata-52720.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.elimparcial.es/nacional/la-seguridad-privada-del-pesquero-espanol-ortube-berria-repele-un-ataque-pirata-52720.html</a></p> <p><a href="http://nikazetari.diariovasco.com/edicion2010/articulo.php?id=5543" rel="nofollow">http://nikazetari.diariovasco.com/edicion2010/articulo.php?id=5543</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.telecinco.es/informativos/nacional/noticia/100012532/La+seguridad+privada+de+un+pesquero+espanol+repele+un+ataque+pirata+en+Indico" rel="nofollow">http://www.telecinco.es/informativos/nacional/noticia/100012532/La+seguridad+privada+de+un+pesquero+espanol+repele+un+ataque+pirata+en+Indico</a></p> <p>And not even name me as the owner of the photo of the ship, "Ortubé Berria" how sad is life, not to recognize your work </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1186 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:43:28 +0000 rob1053 1186@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>I have just carried out an expriment.<br /> If I logout and view the site as a guest the only images I have access to are<br /> 1.The latest uploads<br /> 2.The two pages of uploads on the Open Space Overview page<br /> 3.The one initial image on any vessels page<br /> If I log on I have access to all the above plus any other image on a vessels data page.<br /> However if I then download an image that I know I uploaded at 1.7MB 3711x2472 pixels I have an image of 458k 605x404 pixels.Any image downloaded comes in around this size.<br /> In conclusion I believe that any image downloaded (stolen) from this site would not be comercialy viable </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1185 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:51:48 +0000 rob1053 1185@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>What IanJohn has written is,in general as I understand photographic copyright in the UK.However you should understand that when photographs are uploaded to the internet and if the site makes those images downloadable then they become available to anyone in the world to download.These downloaded images then may be used in two ways<br /> 1.They may be for personal use and not used in any comercial way for gain or otherwise<br /> 2.Thry may be 'stolen'directly for gain either for use as a photographic on,say, a web site (not necessarily financial gain) or the may be offered on to a third party for financial gain.These images will invariably be of high quality.<br /> This is the point where real copyright infringement comes in as someone is making money from your property.However,in this situation we already have potentialy three countries copyright laws involved:-the country of the image owner,the country of the thief and the country of the purchaser.<br /> The chances of obtaining a decision as to your copyright is remote and would be very expensive,as with any litigation the real winners are the lawyers.</p> <p>The rules,therefore on uploading images to a website are as follows.<br /> Do not upload images that may be valuble to another party or you would not like anyone to have acess to.<br /> Understand that your images will probably copied in some way by another party.<br /> Try to chose a site that blocks downloads.<br /> Accept that if you see your prized image on the front page of a newspaper that there will be no photo cridit nor will the cheque be in the post.</p> <p>I know it is a cruel world but thats life.If you value an image don't upload it, I accept that every image I upload is efectively lost </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1184 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:28:29 +0000 IanJohn 1184@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>@ CX9AAW<br /> Firstly I must say that I am not a legal expert, but it is my understanding that in England, copyright ownership is that of the photographer unless: -<br /> a) The photographer was hired or employed to take the photos in which case the copyright belongs to the person, organisation or company who hired or employed the photographer.<br /> b) If the copyright owner sells or gives away the photograph he may or may not pass copyright ownership to that new owner.</p> <p>If you, the photographer and copyright holder, uploads a photograph to the <a href="http://www." rel="nofollow">www.</a> then you would still be the owner of the copyright unless there was an agreement that the copyright passes to a third party, eg the website.<br /> I do not believe that it is a condition of uploading to this site that would effect your copyright in any way.<br /> Spanish law will be different to English law and as the site is German this will also affect things.<br /> Hope this is some help, but remember this is only my opinion, and I may well be wrong.</p> <p>@ MindOpen, do you have any input? </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1182 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:30:43 +0000 CX9AAW 1182@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>@ IanJohn<br /> When uploading photos to give / share ownership of my photos with SD and thus have rights over it. </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1181 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:16:01 +0000 IanJohn 1181@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>@CX9AAW. Are you asking who owns the copyright of each photograph after it has been uploaded to DS? Or are you asking something else? Copyright laws are very complex and differ from country to country, you need to make it very clear as to what you are asking. </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-1180 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:25:49 +0000 CX9AAW 1180@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>Who owns the pictures up here?<br /> who has the copyright? </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-865 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:47:15 +0000 CX9AAW 865@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>''''''''' </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-861 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:26:13 +0000 CX9AAW 861@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>Hello again, well I got the license in my hands, and I send him copies MindOpen, and be waiting for the permission to put me in this forum, greetings from Javier </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-860 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:36:36 +0000 MindOpen 860@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>@Stevo: nice conclusion and good said!<br /> We should leave some options for all of us. I do not believe in black or white situations. Sometimes we have to live with a bit gray too. Lets put some trust into the development, fast reaction is always possible.</p> <p>I will always prefer images shot by spotters... </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-859 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:52:24 +0000 CX9AAW 859@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>!!! </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-858 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:09:26 +0000 chan2 858@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>OK the rules are laid down now.....<br /> A will still only upload photos that a can stand for ( Taken by Me ). Thats most fair a think, but that is MY opinion </p> <p>What others do is up to them......</p> <p>All best...... </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-857 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:28:03 +0000 Anonymous 857@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>chan2, I think we have the same feeling. On DS you will only see my pictures. If somebody tells me that I can upload his pictures, I will tell him to start an account.</p> <p>Javier has his own opinion. It's good that he want to upload pictures from somebody else. It's good for this community. For sure, this is not a contest, just a place to look pictures. </p> <p>If you upload your pictures or you have to agreement from the owner of the pictures, just upload and share it with us. </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-856 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:29:11 +0000 CX9AAW 856@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>Hello. the respect I want to comment that Digital Seas is a page dedicated to the world of photography of ships in general, and deserve the best shots, and I will now, il try and get my best shots, and also upload the pictures where it is authorized, in some cases will be the exclusive and you do not like, I can not do anything, I and all my friends will do so, a greeting and that'll be good if you are ill, SANTA CLAUS not leave you beautiful photos.<br /> ¡Ho, Ho, Ho! ...<br /> Javier </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-855 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:49:15 +0000 MindOpen 855@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>It is ok to upload vessel images where users have clearing / agreements / copyrights for. So if you talk to an owner of the photograph and reach an agreement, just give a short description to the image and this will be perfect with the makers of this site.<br /> There are good ways established, to react to copyright frauds quickly. But not every image made from a helicopter or in perfect quality will be in question, only because the average user can't take it that way.<br /> We do have many professional acting photographers at this site. I do not appreciate a cultur of mistunes and distrust. Also, everybody has got a second chance with us....this is an open site, my name is MindOpen. </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-854 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:12:25 +0000 chan2 854@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>So its now ok to surf around on the webb or if you work in the marineindustri copy photos aslong as you have the owners/company right . May question is? - was this what the owners of community whanted in the beging when they started...<br /> Best reagards to all </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-852 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:07:05 +0000 CX9AAW 852@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>Well after all we are approaching Christmas and as at this time we have many things to do in advance that I wish you all a merry Christmas and a good prosperous new year "2010 PEACE AND HAPPINESS" </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-849 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:17:30 +0000 CX9AAW 849@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>Thanks @ Stevo good friend if I raise some shots with permission but always thinking of the interests of Digital Seas and as I said Once that boy to put all my half audar everything possible on this webpage that took him far affection, then, is that only the best upload photos on this page, Although I have other pages I devote 100% 100 to this<br /> and the commentary of Michael I totally agree, to make mention of that photo is one thing to take into account</p> <p>I do not know why the amount was a real battle just for some shots is what I try to upload them and give them a push and I spend many hours apart putting all the data I have, and I do this? is simply for people to see and enjoy for nothing, I all almost every day, boy the port to locate the ships come and go, and when I come to home with one or a few shots I am happy, the climb and point, and there are thousands like me and people who like thousands of this hobby, and is so simple, that evil does come up a couple of photos that I take no s but are authorized and within days it demonstrates ar, And I want it so,<br /> Thank you very much everybody. Javier Alonso </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-848 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:56:48 +0000 chan2 848@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>I agree whit " mtarrago " some kind of comment is a good solution or other mark </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-847 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:20:16 +0000 mtarrago 847@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>First of all, I would lend my support to my friend Javier, I think these pictures are doing a great job himself with the information in the wiki of those boats. I think these photos are worthy of the show by the sheer quality of them to be made by him, but as he says has written permission from the owner. I believe in my humble opinion, that the solution to the problem would be that those photos were accompanied by a comment such as "courtesy of ..." and so would end all these controversies about both bother </p> http://forum.digital-seas.com/topic/respect-the-copyright-of-ship-photographers#post-846 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:19:36 +0000 Anonymous 846@http://forum.digital-seas.com/ <p>Don't understand the problem here. There is no competition in the amount of pictures.If Javier has an agreement with the owner of these pics, it's ok for me and for sure it's good for this community.</p> <p>It's stupid you have to ask a letter to prove you can upload these pictures.<br /> If you uploaded them with another account nobody should ask anything. </p>